tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post7656833992443862010..comments2024-03-28T22:17:48.180+00:00Comments on Conservative Tendency: English Jewish surnames revisitedMark Englishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03506844097173520312noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-27890494169913647012022-06-10T07:49:11.694+00:002022-06-10T07:49:11.694+00:00Regarding Jewish Ancestry and the Lake of Fire, I ...Regarding Jewish Ancestry and the Lake of Fire, I suggest that you read Romans Chapter 11 in the Bible to discover the truth about the real future of those descended from Judah rather than leaning on your limited understanding of this subject and so remaining ignorant. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-51277597510388258192022-06-10T06:38:16.179+00:002022-06-10T06:38:16.179+00:00To clarify I was only looking at this list of name...To clarify I was only looking at this list of names to make sure someone I knew wasn’t an Edomite/Cannanite jew. Because I’d have nothing to do with them if they were. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-38583961958129765082022-06-10T06:34:47.650+00:002022-06-10T06:34:47.650+00:00Why would anyone want to have jewish ancestry? It’...Why would anyone want to have jewish ancestry? It’s a direct sentence to the lake of fire!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-32925419938820571052021-04-24T09:11:18.722+00:002021-04-24T09:11:18.722+00:00I take a fairly ad hoc, unsystematic approach. Her...I take a fairly ad hoc, unsystematic approach. Here are a few instances of Jewish connections for the surname Randall. The actor Tony Randall was born Aryeh Leonard Rosenberg. Activist and writer on Jewish/Muslim relations Katherine Randall presumably has a Jewish background. She was Katherine Randall when she got her PhD but appears later as Yafiah Katherine Randall, having adopted an Arabic given name (indicating conversion to Islam??). I also came across an Ada Randall in a Jewish family tree online. There are only three Randalls listed at americanjewisharchives.org but at least the name appears. The name also appears in the Book of Jewish and Crypto-Jewish Surnames (2018) but I haven't assessed that particular source. Also ancestry.com lists the closely related name Rendel as sometimes being of Ashkenazi and Yiddish origin (from "rendl" meaning ducat).Mark Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506844097173520312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-31956809657592814442021-03-29T17:06:46.124+00:002021-03-29T17:06:46.124+00:00Hi! Thank you for compiling this list,Mark.
Cou...Hi! Thank you for compiling this list,Mark. <br /><br />Could you point me toward more info regarding the surname Randall? I have been looking for crypto Jewish ties to this name and your post is the only place I've seen it listed so far.<br /><br />"My" Randalls intermarried with families such as: Greene, Palmer, Gates, King, Short, Welles, Brown, Barnard, Covell, Lamb, Mosher, Barlowe, Marchante, etc. :)<br /><br />Thank you!<br />RachelUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17953544586661843783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-81378262200362462892021-03-27T01:25:54.946+00:002021-03-27T01:25:54.946+00:00Also I made an error regarding the hypothesized or...Also I made an error regarding the hypothesized origins of Y-DNA Haplogroup J/J1. It most likely originated in Northern, West Asia, also known loosely as the Middle East (if one includes Egypt), in an area spanning central/eastern Anatolia, the southern Caucasus region, northern Iraq, and the Iranian Plateau (including northern Iran and the Zargos Mountains). Thanks again. Godspeed.Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-801958921686182192021-03-27T01:16:51.943+00:002021-03-27T01:16:51.943+00:00Isaac Barrow's biography from MacTutor: "...Isaac Barrow's biography from MacTutor: "His father, Thomas Barrow, was the second son of Isaac Barrow of Spinney Abbey in the county of Cambridge, esquire, who was a justice of the Peace there above forty years. The father of Thomas never designed him for a tradesman, but he was so severe to him he could not endure to live with him, and so came to London and was apprentice to a linen-draper He kept shop at the sign of the White Horse in Forster Lane near St Forster's Church in St Leonard's parish; and his son, Isaac Barrow was christened at St John Zachery's in Forster Lane, for at that time St Leonard's church was pulled down to be re-edified. He was born anno Domini 1630 in October after King Charles II." Nothing here suggests any Jewish ancestry, especially considering this was decades before the resettlement of the Jews by Cromwell in the mid 1650s, in rural Cambridge, and his grandfather was an esquire (minor nobleman), a justice for the peace in a rural community in Cambridge, a societal position/profession that a Jew/Jewish convert would never be allowed to hold in late 16th century, early 17th century England or Britain, especially in smaller, rural communities. Jewish populations almost always settled in large cities, as money lenders or traders, never in the rural countryside, which was always ethnically homogenous. His father left his grandfather due to his strict character and became a tradesman, specifically an apprentice to a linen draper, which wasn't a trade particularly associated with jews, like banking/money lending. Other famous, gentile Western European men who came from the draper backgrounds include John Graunt, Antonie van Leeuwenhoek, Sir Thomas Adams, 1st Baronet, Edward Whalley (Oliver Cromwell's cousin), and John Woodward. Thomas Barrow's family were not originally tradesmen/linen drapers either. Well even after all my painfully long diatribes, I appreciate the dialogue and speaking to you sir, I follow the blog now. Thank you for the discussion, Godspeed.Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-33017695064640543462021-03-26T22:46:00.432+00:002021-03-26T22:46:00.432+00:00"The Jews were banished from England in 1290,..."The Jews were banished from England in 1290, and their resettlement did not occur until around 1657, under Oliver Cromwell, and even then, their numbers in Britain were extraordinarily small, especially when compared to continental Europe."<br /><br />My basic point is that many migrants from the Continent would not have revealed their Jewish background and so would not have been counted as Jews.<br /><br />"Funnily enough, there were very large populations of Jews in Belarus, the Baltic, Poland, and other parts of Eastern Europe, and yet the autosomal DNA of those Eastern European populations yields no Jewish admixture."<br /><br />Your point is that, in the Eastern European context, there was very little intermarriage. But I am talking about migrants who assimilated.<br /><br />I prefer to define Jewishness in cultural, and specifically religious, terms. If my European ancestors practiced Judaism, they were Jews. The DNA research is very interesting but I will refrain from commenting on its general significance. Frankly I just don't know enough about it.<br /><br />"The adoption of Hebraic, Old Testament names like David, Israel, and Isaac, obviously stems from the influence of those religious texts/scripts on the native British, and overall on the protestants of North/Western Europe. There is no evidence that men such as Isaac Newton or Isaac Barrow had any Jewish ancestry, even though their first names are ultimately Hebraic in origin; in fact they were both born decades before Cromwell allowed Jews back into England in 1657..."<br /><br />See my first point above.<br /><br />"Barrow is an Old English last name with Anglo-Saxon roots..."<br /><br />As are many of the names on my list. The point is that these names (more than others) were adopted by immigrants. As I mentioned in a comment, the family of a London merchant with links to the Caribbean, Moses Baruch, apparently changed their name to Barrow. There are a number of Barrows in the Jewish cemetery in Bridgetown, Barbados. I suggested that Isaac Barrow could have had Jewish links, given his name, his father's trade (draper) and his grandfather's given name but I agree that this is very speculative.<br /><br />"It is also important to note that modern "European Jews," such as Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews, have heavy amounts of female mediated, Southern European or Southern Italian/Greek-like ancestry, and to a lesser extent Central, Western, and Eastern European ancestry. Jewish populations accepted European women into their communities and interbred with them, but they almost never intermarried and assimilated amongst the local populations they lived amongst, with very few exceptions."<br /><br />Yes, I wrote a piece on this research some time ago. But your knowledge base is clearly much larger than mine. What you say about Y-DNA and mtDNA is particularly interesting. Thank you again for taking the trouble to comment.Mark Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506844097173520312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-50681849725849919202021-03-26T21:44:39.332+00:002021-03-26T21:44:39.332+00:00See below for response.See below for response.Mark Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506844097173520312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-12840707587642709872021-03-24T04:13:39.783+00:002021-03-24T04:13:39.783+00:00Thanks for your contributions. Much appreciated. I...Thanks for your contributions. Much appreciated. I will have a closer look later at the details.Mark Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506844097173520312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-53441027672286526332021-03-17T22:34:25.094+00:002021-03-17T22:34:25.094+00:00The Jews were banished from England in 1290, and t...The Jews were banished from England in 1290, and their resettlement did not occur until around 1657, under Oliver Cromwell, and even then, their numbers in Britain were extraordinarily small, especially when compared to continental Europe. Funnily enough, there were very large populations of Jews in Belarus, the Baltic, Poland, and other parts of Eastern Europe, and yet the autosomal DNA of those Eastern European populations yields no Jewish admixture. The adoption of Hebraic, Old Testament names like David, Israel, and Isaac, obviously stems from the influence of those religious texts/scripts on the native British, and overall on the protestants of North/Western Europe. There is no evidence that men such as Isaac Newton or Isaac Barrow had any Jewish ancestry, even though their first names are ultimately Hebraic in origin; in fact they were both born decades before Cromwell allowed Jews back into England in 1657; Barrow is an Old English last name with Anglo-Saxon roots, and the Barrow Y-DNA Project at Family Tree DNA, only shows individuals belonging to R1b-M269 (most likely subclades L21 or U106), a lineage that is found in ethnic Western, Northern, and Southern Europeans, and one that is relatively uncommon among Jews. When R1b-M269 is found among Jews, it stems from non-Jewish, male derived, ethnic European admixture. On the topic of Haplogroups, R1b-M269 and R1a-M458, are the Y-DNA lineages or Haplogroups, of the Indo-European speaking tribes of the Pontic-Caspian and East European Forest Steppes; this ancestral and genetic component is sometimes referred to in archaeogenetic literature as "Western Steppe Herder" (WSH). The primary subclades of Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b-M269 found in the British Isles are R1b-L21 and R1b-U106, with minor frequencies of other R1b-P312, Bell Beaker/Proto-Celto-Germanic related clades (R1b-S1194, R1b-U152, R1b-DF27, R1b-DF19, R1b-DF99, R1b-L238, R1b-Z30597/Z30600, R1b-Z39300). Modern Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups are generally speaking, quite old; they are not simply associated with one ethnic group, they predate said ethnic groups by tens of thousands of years, sometimes hundreds of thousands. Y-DNA Haplogroup J1 for example, is approximately 24K years old, with Northwestern Asia being the most likely place of origin. Upstream clades/subclades of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1 have been found in Mesolithic and Neolithic Eastern European Hunter Gatherers (EHG), and it is sometimes found in modern Finns and Karelians/Northwestern Russians, albeit very rarely. These subclades have nothing to do with Arabs, Jews, or other Hamitic/Semitic speaking peoples (remember the Israelites were not the only Semitic speakers in the Levant, nor were they the only ones with these lineages). Modern Jews belong to very specific subclades of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1-P58, which are unrelated to the subclades of J1 found among Western, Eastern, and Southern Europeans, such as J1-M365, J1-L1189, and J1b-F1614/Z2223. J1-P58 also contains subclades unrelated to modern Jews and their Israelite ancestors, since J1-P58 predates the formation of the Jewish populations--as well as the modern populations in the Levant--by thousands of years. It is also important to note that modern "European Jews," such as Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews, have heavy amounts of female mediated, Southern European or Southern Italian/Greek-like ancestry, and to a lesser extent Central, Western, and Eastern European ancestry. Jewish populations accepted European women into their communities and interbred with them, but they almost never intermarried and assimilated amongst the local populations they lived amongst, with very few exceptions. Hope this helps.Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-37510476663346543142021-03-17T22:27:52.003+00:002021-03-17T22:27:52.003+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-25524676898726999142021-03-17T22:27:38.119+00:002021-03-17T22:27:38.119+00:00There is a good amount of misinformation in here. ...There is a good amount of misinformation in here. There is no evidence for even a decent amount of Jewish ancestry in ethnic Britons and their colonial descendancy. Autosomal DNA indicates that modern day Brits (Scots, English, and Welsh) are the descendants of Bronze Age, Steppe derived, Western European Bell Beakers; this also includes Bell Beaker descended offshoots who came to Britain much later, such as the Hallstatt/La Tène Celts of Iron Age Central Europe, and the Migration-Era Anglo-Saxons and Vikings (Germanics). Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-41135965768195841432021-01-10T09:06:12.757+00:002021-01-10T09:06:12.757+00:00Many Jewish people have that surname but it's ...Many Jewish people have that surname but it's difficult to generalize. Sometimes it was adopted as an anglicized version of a phonetically similar name. The Jewish comedian Jackie Mason was born Jacob Maza. The surname Mason appears in a list of Jews in Macedonia exiled by the Nazis during WW2. http://www.sephardicstudies.org/monastir.htmlMark Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506844097173520312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-80989867297983080852021-01-08T03:31:14.662+00:002021-01-08T03:31:14.662+00:00I have been wondering about this for a while, I am...I have been wondering about this for a while, I am adopted but my birth mothers last name before marriage is Mason, I had no idea I could be Jewish, my wife however says my face looks the part haha, thank you for this and if you have any more information on the Mason Jewish name connection can you please let me know somehow, thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-72522543392199533402020-11-07T04:41:05.837+00:002020-11-07T04:41:05.837+00:00Just saw this comment. Aleksander is a common name...Just saw this comment. Aleksander is a common name in Polish (as in other languages) and Sa(u)nders often derives from this name.Mark Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506844097173520312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-17624445435712885622020-10-02T09:42:38.818+00:002020-10-02T09:42:38.818+00:00Hi, I have the surname SAUNDERS. I have just recen...Hi, I have the surname SAUNDERS. I have just recently found out that my fathers side decend from Jewish roots. I had no idea Saunders was a Jewish surname? My 4th great grandad cam from Poland but i wouldnt imagine Saunders as being Polish? Is there a Polish form of this surname?Nick Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09767027421349709395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-78313860876476287952019-12-29T11:38:03.944+00:002019-12-29T11:38:03.944+00:00Are y'all jews in England and USA ?Are y'all jews in England and USA ?Moonchild Psyconauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17603528005529941862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-34869247304503821522019-11-05T20:38:06.332+00:002019-11-05T20:38:06.332+00:00Thank you!!Thank you!!bsherit.blogspot.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204774202867632405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-66828639001789616062019-11-05T00:05:28.757+00:002019-11-05T00:05:28.757+00:00I would say so. (Swaan is the Low German and zwaan...I would say so. (Swaan is the Low German and zwaan is the Dutch word for swan.) A common Ashkenazi name.Mark Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506844097173520312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-56031540308325942702019-11-04T14:44:28.264+00:002019-11-04T14:44:28.264+00:00My family name is Swaan. A Jacob Swaan (also the ...My family name is Swaan. A Jacob Swaan (also the name of my grandfather), died in Auschwitz but I am unable to find the connection to my family. Zwaan is another family name. Is Swaan a Jewish name? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-68207356344123438572019-09-28T15:35:14.579+00:002019-09-28T15:35:14.579+00:00Many of the names you've mentioned probably ar...Many of the names you've mentioned probably aren't "Jewish." The Jewish/Yahudah/Yehudah are but one of the twelve tribes. They and the tribe of Benjamin make up what we see and know as today's "Jews." The rest, the Ten Northern Tribes(the lost Sheep of Israel/Yis'real) that were supposedly lost are sitting in Christian, Catholic, you name it other religious places thinking they are that and not knowing they are probably descendants of the Ten Northern Tribes. Our captivity ended in 2009 and we are now making our voice heard that we should stand beside the "Jews" in our love of Torah and the Ten Words/Commandments, yet we hold to the "haMashiach" the Messiah Yahushua as our "Elohim" and "god." The Messiah will only come back when the Twelve Tribes are in unison calling him back. Yet, all have the invite to become part of these Tribes via the haMaschiach Yahushua. Our task is to obey the Torah and the Ten Words, and yet get the "Jews" to realize their Messiah came and they put him to death via the Romans. The Messiah will only come back when the Jews call upon him as their Messiah. And will they? Yes, because those times will come down on their head and they will cry in shame at what they did. And yes, it will happen, as we all do. Thank you!tigertwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08779627314716310399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-21000352679690427312019-09-04T03:46:13.381+00:002019-09-04T03:46:13.381+00:00Thanks that's very interesting. I'll have ...Thanks that's very interesting. I'll have another look at the name Davenport.Mark Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506844097173520312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-19660192020215722352019-08-31T02:40:34.344+00:002019-08-31T02:40:34.344+00:00My DNA test recently came back with roots as Easte...My DNA test recently came back with roots as Eastern European Jew, and best as I can tell from the family located it came through the family name of Davenport, which is on your list of maybes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353773260686737861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4964847228497363438.post-64757089940411054722019-07-18T20:08:55.971+00:002019-07-18T20:08:55.971+00:00My paternal grandmother was a Phillips, and passed...My paternal grandmother was a Phillips, and passed in 1963 in Cincinnati, OH. She told me when I was very little that she was of Scottish and English heritage, and that there was a lost estate home in Scotland. She was Jeanette, and born and raised in NYC. Her mother was Julia Phillips and her father was Michael Phillips born in 1866. Julia's mother was Jeanette Appel born in England. I have no children to pass any heritage forth to, but my roots have always intrigued me. The other half (my mother's side is all Russian Jewish with no records that can be found).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09432735666630547912noreply@blogger.com